well fridays good results were soon wiped out but a disastrous saturday which saw some aggressive staking (looks like sunday is going to be the same) that will be curbed in the future by adding a correct value for each total but being results orientated should be avoided as much as possible as if it would have been a great day then nothing is said but as in the OP i do believe a value conversion is needed but we are just not at that point yet. Lets see what today brings?
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Nice thread, I wonder what it would be like minus the lays and dutches.
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thank you dannyboy, I think with just 4 days of the posting only its too early to say as previously its all worked out just fine over the period i tested but its always tough to say where and when an edge will evaporate, profited over 27 units today so a nice little comeback but its all rather meaningless at this stage but will not take long to see if an edge is found unlike low selection methods that contain too much noise in the data to rely upon.
as to your Query there have been 71 races invested with a total outlay of 141 units and a profit of +36.29 for a +25.74% return. This is far bigger thn it should be with the sheer volume and full 5% commission take out , if it stayed at that point i would simply drop the lays and dutch bets and plan where ill be retiring it would be impossible to keep those numbers up or anywhere near them and i would be happy around 3% return for the volume being analysed and even that may be ambitious as beating the bfsp over the long run is insanely difficult and it has stood the test of time for the accuracy of its model being a near perfect indicator of a horses chance of winning which is easy shown by looking at the break down of odds v winners in each group but no point mentioning that basic point on a forum as im sure its well known to everyone who visits here by now. Now of course we would ideally be simply trying to beat the actual price of the sp to show our profit but its simply not at that point yet.
if we then add in the lays
bets - p/l
2 (- 5.57)
Dutch bets
bets - pl - stakes
22 ( -11.89) 43.75
now if we look stakes 186.75 , pl +18.83 for a return of 10.08% which is much more realistic and still shows its ahead of the sp for now.
Thank you for your interest
as to your Query there have been 71 races invested with a total outlay of 141 units and a profit of +36.29 for a +25.74% return. This is far bigger thn it should be with the sheer volume and full 5% commission take out , if it stayed at that point i would simply drop the lays and dutch bets and plan where ill be retiring it would be impossible to keep those numbers up or anywhere near them and i would be happy around 3% return for the volume being analysed and even that may be ambitious as beating the bfsp over the long run is insanely difficult and it has stood the test of time for the accuracy of its model being a near perfect indicator of a horses chance of winning which is easy shown by looking at the break down of odds v winners in each group but no point mentioning that basic point on a forum as im sure its well known to everyone who visits here by now. Now of course we would ideally be simply trying to beat the actual price of the sp to show our profit but its simply not at that point yet.
if we then add in the lays
bets - p/l
2 (- 5.57)
Dutch bets
bets - pl - stakes
22 ( -11.89) 43.75
now if we look stakes 186.75 , pl +18.83 for a return of 10.08% which is much more realistic and still shows its ahead of the sp for now.
Thank you for your interest
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Re: Advanced Analytics
good results but I think Saturdays are allways tuff days so many competitive races
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hello tafflizzgreg, Whilst its true its more competitive we should remember that we are rewarded more lucratively when we hit a good one, it all (or at least should) works round in the end. I guess the argument should be are we ever willing to take higher volatility for the reward? thats something i feel is a personal problem to solve as individuals i feel its the sheer dent it can put in a bank in a singular unit of time (daily) that will be in effect with this thread but im sure once we see large enough data then we shall see it doesnt really matter as i would bet it will see its largest winning days and losing days on saturdays not because the edge changes but the sheer amount of units one has to invest in a single day.
This can be used as anyone see's fit and is free source we should have open debates about anything whether individually we feel something is good or more important bad about the selections/thread.
Thank you for your input
This can be used as anyone see's fit and is free source we should have open debates about anything whether individually we feel something is good or more important bad about the selections/thread.
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Hi LW,
It's nice to have you posting on here again. I hope any problems you were having are on the mend, and look forward to future insights.
It's nice to have you posting on here again. I hope any problems you were having are on the mend, and look forward to future insights.
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hello SS , long time no chat. I.m doing much better now although still getting used to the fact i will never be 100% again but who is these days? How are you? still grabbing some profits i hope
shall do chelmsford later
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shall do chelmsford later
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